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近日，有美媒称历史前十的防守球员中没有后卫。有球迷表示内线防守的价值和比赛影响力要高于外线防守，也有球迷表示佩顿可以进入历史前十的防守球员名单中。引发球迷热议：

【1】100%, there’s nothing more valuable on defense than protecting the rim, as the goal of every single offense is to create as many layups as possible.

完全同意，没有哪种防守比护框更有价值，每回合进攻的终极目标都是创造上篮终结的机会

【-】Bro thinks Rudy Gobert is top 3 all time

哈哈，你难道觉得戈贝尔是历史前三的防守球员吗？

【-】There are more than 3 rim protectors better than Gobert, and most of them are better in other areas as well 👍

绝对有超过3个比戈贝尔更好的护框手，而且他们在其他区域的防守也好。

【-】The goal of every single offense isn't to create as many layups as possible. "Buckets" are more than layups and it's inefficient and too hard to work twds layups at the rim all the time. Not when players can score easier 1 on 1 from midrange and then 3ball has advantages too.

每次进攻的终极目标不是尽可能多的上篮。“投篮得分”并不仅仅指上篮，而且大量篮下出手有的时候会很低效且困难，有些时候可以在中距离或者三分线外更轻松有效地得分。

【5】Well no, MJ is definitely top 5

不，乔丹的防守绝对历史前五。

【-】Mj wasn’t even the best defender on his own team.

乔丹甚至不是自己队里防守最好的球员

【7】. Top 10 defenders in no order: 1. Hakeem 2. Tim Duncan 3. Ben Wallace 4. Dennis Rodman 5. Dwight Howard 6. Dikembe Mutombo 7. Bill Russell 8. Scottie Pippen 9. Kevin Garnett 10. The last slot goes to Gary Payton So yes you can have a guard in the top 10. MJ doesn't make it.、

前十防守者（不分先后）——奥拉朱旺，邓肯，华莱士，罗德曼，霍*德，穆托姆博，比尔拉塞尔，皮蓬，加内特，佩顿。所以前十中会有一个后卫（佩顿），乔丹进不了前十。

【8】Jordan, Bron easily top 10

乔丹和勒布朗可以跻身防守前十

【-】Jordan's not even top 20 and LeBron isn't even a guard 😭

乔丹进不了前二十，勒布朗也不是一个后卫

【-】Lebron rarely ever plays guard. And this argument is more about the value of rim protection over perimeter D, & LeBron is big enough to not make sense in this argument.

勒布朗很少打后卫，我们讨论的更多的是内线防守和外线防守（谁的价值更大），而勒布朗是个十足的大个，所以在这里不把勒布朗考虑进来。

【11】Greatest defensive starting lineup in NBA history

1st team

PG Gary Payton

SG Michael Jordan

SF Scottie Pippen

PF Dennis Rodman

C Hakeem Olajuwon

2nd team

PG Walt Frazier

SG Sidney Moncrief

SF Kawhi Leonard

PF Kevin Garnett

C Bill Russell

防守阵容：

一阵:控球后卫佩顿，得分后卫乔丹，小前锋皮蓬，大前锋罗德曼，中锋奥拉朱旺

二阵： 控球后卫弗雷泽，得分后卫蒙克利夫，小前锋伦纳德，大前锋加内特，中锋比尔拉塞尔

【-】2nd team could be Jrue Holiday, D-Wade, Kawhi, AD, & Bill Russell

二阵也可以是霍乐迪，韦德，伦纳德，浓眉，比尔拉塞尔

【-】Tony allen deserves a spot

托尼阿伦也值得一个位子

【-】Draymond? How many players can guard 1-5 like him?

为什么没有追梦？有多少球员可以像他一样从1号位防到5号位的？

【15】yes that is very true bc guard defensive value isn’t the same as a wing and it doesn’t even touch a big

嗯，后卫的防守价值比不上侧翼球员，更比不上大个子的防守价值。

【16】Agree, value a big brings defensively is just so much greater.

同意，大个子带来的防守价值不是其他位置的球员可以比较的。

【17】1000% agreed

完全同意。

【18】Gary Payton is easily in the top 10. Jordan and Kobe have arguments for being top 10 but realistically, they're prob top 20-25.

佩顿可以轻松进入前十，乔丹和科比进入前十有些争议，但是他们可以排在20-25名。

【19】Here is your answer

这就是答案

【-】This is up to 2019. Obviously missing Giannis, marcus smart and JJJ

由于这份数据统计截止2019年，所以我漏掉了字母哥，斯玛特和3J。

【-】jjj is good but not comparable to some of these guys

3J很出色，但是他并不能和其他（那些真正出色）的防守球员相提并论。

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