【洛城里】大将军:老詹是控卫GOAT,年年球队助攻王,球迷:威少比他多

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近日,库里做客阿里纳斯的节目《Gilbert Arenas》,谈到自己是否是历史最佳控卫,库里说:“是的。我可以这么说,这是我和魔术师之间的竞争”。一时间历史最佳控卫之争闹得沸沸扬扬。

在节目中,“大将军”阿里纳斯表示:“魔术师进入NBA的时候是小前锋,第一年他打的是分卫,诺姆-尼克松是他们的控卫。但是有了魔术师之后,湖人把球交到了魔术师的手里,因为他的尺寸有优势。如果你想把魔术师作为最佳控卫的话,那么詹姆斯才是(我心中)历史最佳控卫,他每个赛季都是球队的助攻王”。随后,多家媒体晒出该言论,引来热议,一起来看看球迷如何评论!

Westbrook averaged more APG than him btw

顺便说一句,威斯布鲁克的场均助攻比他还高。

LeBron is technically a PG by definition

从技术上讲,勒布朗是一名控球后卫。

He’s a Point forward, same as Bird, and Pippen.

他和伯德、皮蓬一样,都是控球前锋。

Ok so I guess John Stockton is the best point guard ever

好吧,(按这个逻辑)我猜约翰-斯托克顿是史上最佳控球后卫

Lol magic didn’t lead his team in assist every year? Much less the league?

笑死人了,魔术师不是每年都是球队助攻王吗?更不用说联盟了?

Yeah but did he ever lead the league in scoring?

是的,但他曾在得分方面领先全联盟吗?

Magic was a PURE point guard. He wasn’t concerned with scoring at all. LeBron is a forward with a gift of passing. Both played the “team ball way” but when it came down to it LeBron HAD to go out and get 25-30 a night for his team to win, Magic didn’t.

魔术师是一个纯粹的控球后卫。他根本不关心得分。而勒布朗是一个有传球天赋的前锋。两人都打 "团队篮球",但到了关键时刻,勒布朗必须每晚得到 25-30 分才能让球队获胜,而魔术师则不需要。

Curry just lost to a playin team made at the trade deadline Magic would never

库里刚刚输给了一支在交易截止日时组建的球队 魔术队永远不会

Best PGs look to help their teammates to score 1st & can win a game without scoring!

🐐PG 5× NBA Champ Magic Johnson avg. 11.19 asst per game (LeBron 7.3) & 12.35 asst per playoff game (LeBron 7.2).

最好的控卫首先希望帮助队友得分,不得分也能赢得比赛!控卫GOAT 魔术师约翰逊5个NBA总冠军,场均 11.19 次助攻(勒布朗 7.3 次),季后赛场均12.35 次助攻(勒布朗 7.2 次)。

LEBRON DOESNT PLAY THE POSITION. this isnt complicated he runs the offense from the SF/PF position. are you going to tell me that Jokic is now a PG?

詹姆斯不打这个位置,这并不复杂。

他只是在小前锋/大前锋位置上进攻,你想告诉我约基奇现在是一名控卫吗?

Their is no case for LBJ being best PG of all time. LBJ biggest gap over Magic is scoring but if we talking about PG that not a PG main job. So now we talking about assists, rebounds, leadership etc. Both average 7 rebounds but Magic avg more assists & Magic greatest passer EVER

詹姆斯没有理由成为史上最佳控卫。勒布朗与魔术师相比最大的差距是得分,但如果我们谈论的是 控卫,那就不是控卫的主要工作了。所以我们现在讨论的是助攻、篮板、领导力等。两人的场均篮板数都是 7 个,但魔术师的场均助攻数更多,而且魔术师是史上最伟大的传球手。

Kobe led his team in assists most years doesn't mean he is a PG

科比大多数年份的助攻数都领先全队,但这并不意味着他是一名控卫。

I understand where he’s coming from but LeBron was and is always Point Forward… He’s not a guard and never will be… His offenses always have been him driving and kicking to open shooters in the half court or being the main ball handler in transition…

我理解他的想法,但勒布朗过去是,现在是,将来也永远是控球前锋......他不是后卫,以后也不会是......他的进攻方式一直是进攻持球突破,传给空位的射手,或者在攻守转换中担任主要控球者......

What’s crazy is the 21-22 & 22-23 season with tha Lakers, WESTBROOK avg assist/game & totals assist than bron 😂

21-22: Brodie- 7.1 ASP & 550 total

21-22: Bron- 6.2 ASP & 349 Total

22-23: Brodie- 7.5 ASP & 391 total

22-23: Bron- 6.8 ASP & 375 total

令人难以置信的是,在湖人队效力的 21-22 赛季和 22-23 赛季,韦斯特布鲁克的场均助攻数和总助攻数均超过了勒布朗。

21-22:威少-场均 7.1 次助攻和总计 550 次助攻

21-22:勒布朗- 6.2次助攻 和总计 349次助攻。

22-23:威少- 7.5次助攻,总计391次。

22-23:勒布朗- 6.8 次助攻 ,总计375次。

Than draymond green is a point guard by that logic

按照这种逻辑,德拉蒙德-格林就是控球后卫了

if they are going to use assists as an indicator, then it would be John Stockton as the best PG

如果要以助攻为指标,那么约翰-斯托克顿将是最佳控卫。

He also has the most turnovers of all time

他也是有史以来失误最多的人

Magic Johnson is the archetype if you're training someone on how to play the PG position. Steph may go down as the best player to play in that position, but he's far from being the best at ideally playing it (I'd put CP3, Nash and Stockton ahead of him in that regards as well).

如果要训练一个人如何打好控球后卫的位置,魔术师约翰逊就是一个典型。斯蒂芬可能会成为在这个位置上打得最好的球员,但他远不是最理想的球员(在这方面,我认为CP3、纳什和斯托克顿也在他之前)。

I do think Bron is the best passer in the history of the NBA, he’s essentially Magic 2.0. However, he doesn’t have the mental toughness Magic had, Bron tolerates, survives and has gradually learned to be successful in big moments, Magic lived for big moments from day one.

我确实认为勒布朗是 NBA 史上最好的传球手,他基本上就是魔术师 2.0。然而,他没有魔术师那样的精神韧性,勒布朗能够容忍、生存,并逐渐学会在重要时刻取得成功,而魔术师从第一天起就是为了重要时刻而活。

The only seasons lebron hasn't lead his team in assists are in his rookie year and his 2 years with westbrook.

勒布朗唯一没有成为队内助攻王的赛季是他的新秀赛季和与威斯布鲁克搭档的两年。

traditional positions are antiquated. best way to look at now is Small Guys, wings, and bigs. Playmaking, traditionally done by the smallest person in the lineup, is now done across all positions, sorta starting with Magic. Magic and Bron are wings. Steph is a small.

传统的位置已经过时了。现在最好的看法是小个子、侧翼和大个子。传统上由阵容中个子最小的人负责组织,现在则由所有位置的人负责组织,有点像是从魔术师开始。魔术师和布朗是侧翼。斯蒂芬是小个子。

Facts, why is Luka considered a PG but not Bron?

事实是,为什么东契奇被认为是控卫,而勒布朗不是?

The man is a Small Foward with playmaking ability better than every point guard he played with, that doesn’t make him a point guard tho.

他是一名小前锋,比和他一起打球的所有控球后卫都更有组织能力,但这并不能让他成为一名控球后卫。

你如何看待魔术师和詹姆斯控卫和控球前锋的观点?欢迎在评论区留下你的观点!

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无论打什么位置都是控卫,这就是所谓的能打五个位置。

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靠助攻来判断一个球员组织好不好也算是新时代鉴定是否球盲的标志了,现代篮球讲究的是球转起来,库里以前在马克杰克逊时期也是8助以上,到了科尔时期助攻直接下滑很大的原因就是库里选择把球给出去,而不是一个人完全持球组织进攻,更多的利用自身的吸引力让球队的其他队友获得更多的空位以及让球能一直处于转移之中从而打出行云流水的篮球,而不是一个人抱着球控个二十秒,所以很多东西你得看比赛,而不是看数据,库里当初mvp时期有一个概念特别流行,叫做冰球助攻,讲的就是二次助攻,这一项数据库里是非常高的,但是这项数据不会进入数据统计

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它是滴滴的柔扁气

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虎扑JR1865094840无论打什么位置都是控卫,这就是所谓的能打五个位置。收起

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